{"id":96856,"date":"2016-06-15T00:14:56","date_gmt":"2016-06-15T00:14:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2016\/06\/15\/jenna221b-qbnaith-quietasides-mark\/"},"modified":"2018-09-02T00:46:28","modified_gmt":"2018-09-02T00:46:28","slug":"jenna221b-qbnaith-quietasides-mark","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2016\/06\/15\/jenna221b-qbnaith-quietasides-mark\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-96856 gallery-columns-3 gallery-size-thumbnail'><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2016\/06\/15\/jenna221b-qbnaith-quietasides-mark\/attachment\/96857\/'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/tumblr_o8oygwcAG21tpi2auo2_540-150x150.gif\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\" 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target=\"_blank\">qbnaith<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/quietasides.tumblr.com\/post\/145840950971\" target=\"_blank\">quietasides<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Mark: Whether I\u2019m gay or not has no reflection \u2013<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: No, it does. Just listen \u2013<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: I don\u2019t think that you have ownership of horror of this crime.<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: Can I just say, I find this, I find this astonishing.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: I\u2019m not Jewish and I\u2019m not gay, I\u2019m not French, but I still am equally horrified by these crimes.<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: This was a \u2013 I\u2019m being yelled at, which is incredible.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: Stop talking so [we hadn\u2019t do].<\/p>\n<p>Mark: That\u2019s the headline: \u2018Isil wages war on gays in west\u2019. Now you share that view, that basically this was deliberately targeted on one part of the community rather than the freedom to enjoy yourself no matter what your sexual orientation is.<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: What are you talking about?!?<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Mark: I\u2019m talking about the coverage in the newspapers. <\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img alt=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/94d06fbac9334257292e5aa581314f40\/tumblr_inline_o8p11iH6RK1qdmoaq_540.gif\" \/><\/figure>\n<p><i>Owen: It\u2019s not some abstract, kind of, he just picked a random club out of nowhere. He picked a club because it was full of people he regarded as deviants. That\u2019s why he attacked the club.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: It\u2019s a hate crime, this is an act of terrorism, it was an attack on gay people, absolutely, it was horrific. However, my mind guesses this man probably would be as horrified by me as a gobby woman as he would \u2013 genuinely, genuinely \u2013 this is the thing. We don\u2019t know right now. We can speculate, but we don\u2019t know how much of this is motivated by just his homophobia.<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: We heard from his own father about his revulsion \u2013 why are we trying to deflect? Why are you both pick-<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Mark: We are not trying to deflect. We are trying to reflect what is being said by the authorities here and \u2013<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: Can I ask, what argument are you trying to pick here?<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Mark: I\u2019m now going to quote from what The Telegraph is saying\u2026\u2019his father said\u2026[he] may have targeted the gay community after becoming angry when he saw two men\u2013\u2019<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: \u2018May have\u2019? He did! Why are you saying this?<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: \u2018After seeing two men kissing in Miami some months ago\u2019 \u2013 he may have been angered by many other things since then!<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: I\u2019m sorry. I just find this the most astonishing thing I\u2019ve ever been involved with on television. If he\u2019d walked into a synagogue, and massacred dozens of Jewish people, you wouldn\u2019t be saying what you\u2019re saying now.<\/i><\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img alt=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/2565aaa8d6bed5beb0b851f256847b5b\/tumblr_inline_o8p11iHkB61qdmoaq_540.gif\" \/><\/figure>\n<p><i>Owen: This bizarre attempt to deflect from this \u2013<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Mark: We are trying to draw parallels in terrorist attacks on people who are being attacked whether they are enjoying rock music in Paris, whether they are gay people in Florida enjoying a night out.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img alt=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/0b5a5bb2007342887a431e9f535f0f85\/tumblr_inline_o8p11jL35v1qdmoaq_540.gif\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>Julia: I completely accept it, as [Mark] does, that it was a homophobic attack, but for me the issue is there are going to be homophobic people, there\u2019ll be people who hate black people, or who hate gay people, or hate Jewish people. There are going to be people, who are lunatics, who are fanatics \u2013<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: Who are \u201clunatics\u201d! Stop using these words, Julia!<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: Is it possible for me to finish one sentence?<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: If you stop using words like \u201clunatic\u201d to talk about homophobic terrorist attacks!<\/i><\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img alt=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/9c18cb76409c5ccd46ce0321ac46cdd8\/tumblr_inline_o8p11kHma31qdmoaq_540.gif\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>Julia: Well thank you. Whoever these people are, and whatever their motivations are, the key thing is we\u2019re always going to have mad and bad people in the world.<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: Mad and bad people. Okay.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: And the key issue is, that they can\u2019t do too much or any harm. When you have free access to assault weapons in a country like America, then they\u2019re able to put their hatred of other people \u2013<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: Yes! Obviously!<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: \u2013 into effect, and do damage. That\u2019s the issue for me.<\/p>\n<p>(discussion between Mark and Julia on gun control and the U.S. \u2026Julia: It is absolutely absurd, if America were not going to do something about gun control after Sandy Hook in 2012, if you\u2019re going to watch six- and seven-year-olds being massacred and you don\u2019t think you need to act, they are never going to act.)<\/p>\n<p>Mark: There\u2019s something else here in The Telegraph coverage, which I think we need to bring up, Owen, in relation to your point. And that is, I think that we\u2019ve got at least a call from a spokesman for Stonewall saying that people would be feeling vulnerable, and basically indicating \u2013<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: Oh, you\u2019re going to have an LGBT voice talking about it. Interesting.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Mark: Sorry?<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: Nothing, carry on. Go on.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: Owen, seriously.<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: I\u2019ve had enough of this. I\u2019m going home. Sorry. No way.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: Owen, genuinely, we\u2019re trying to have a civilized conversation. <i><br \/><\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: I know you\u2019re having it, I don\u2019t want it!<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: I know you\u2019re upset, you\u2019re very upset \u2013<\/p>\n<p><i>Owen: Yeah, I am, I\u2019m very upset. I\u2019m very upset.<\/i><\/p>\n<p>Julia: Everyone\u2019s upset and angry about this, but storming off a TV set \u2013<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img alt=\"image\" src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/6d76cc0529eb67a310c8d928b239a021\/tumblr_inline_o8p11kvoUT1qdmoaq_540.gif\" \/><\/figure>\n<p><i>Owen Jones, Mark Longhurst, and Julia Hartley-Brewer discuss the Pulse nightclub shootings, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=TEgd9q8ugs4\" target=\"_blank\">12 June 2016<\/a><\/i><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I adore Owen Jones. Always have. This is infuriating. He\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>not exaggerating when I say this is one of the most infuriating things I\u2019ve seen on British TV. The way they talked over Owen was so frustrating.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>jenna221b: qbnaith: quietasides: Mark: Whether I\u2019m gay or not has no reflection \u2013 Owen: No, it does. Just listen \u2013 Julia: I don\u2019t think that you have ownership of horror of this crime. Owen: Can I just say, I find this, I find this astonishing. 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