{"id":96158,"date":"2016-06-20T01:02:39","date_gmt":"2016-06-20T01:02:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2016\/06\/20\/podle5-pallekenl-alittlebriton\/"},"modified":"2018-09-02T00:11:27","modified_gmt":"2018-09-02T00:11:27","slug":"podle5-pallekenl-alittlebriton","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2016\/06\/20\/podle5-pallekenl-alittlebriton\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-96158 gallery-columns-3 gallery-size-thumbnail'><figure class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<div class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2016\/06\/20\/podle5-pallekenl-alittlebriton\/attachment\/96159\/'><img width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/tumblr_o4jp54FuJD1uorz8zo1_1280-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/tumblr_o4jp54FuJD1uorz8zo1_1280-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/06\/tumblr_o4jp54FuJD1uorz8zo1_1280-100x100.jpg 100w\" sizes=\"100vw\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/div><\/figure>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/podle5.tumblr.com\/post\/146073425618\" target=\"_blank\">podle5<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/pallekenl.tumblr.com\/post\/142063432266\" target=\"_blank\">pallekenl<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/alittlebriton.tumblr.com\/post\/142062584574\" target=\"_blank\">alittlebriton<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/small-potato-of-defiance.tumblr.com\/post\/142001304921\" target=\"_blank\">small-potato-of-defiance<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/zitasaurusrex.tumblr.com\/post\/141784987303\" target=\"_blank\">zitasaurusrex<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/themightyglamazon.tumblr.com\/post\/141782193217\" target=\"_blank\">themightyglamazon<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/quousque.tumblr.com\/post\/141652546495\" target=\"_blank\">quousque<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/wacheypena.tumblr.com\/post\/141646937921\" target=\"_blank\">wacheypena<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/deathcomes4u.tumblr.com\/post\/141646557493\" target=\"_blank\">deathcomes4u<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/lady-willowrx.tumblr.com\/post\/141625443937\" target=\"_blank\">lady-willowrx<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/dcfilms.tumblr.com\/post\/141601888161\" target=\"_blank\">dcfilms<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/t.umblr.com\/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ew.com%2Farticle%2F2016%2F03%2F24%2Fwonder-woman-first-look-gal-gadot-robin-wright-connie-nielsen&amp;t=Y2U2YzJjNmI5ODMwNDI0NDc5YzJkNWQyMWQ5MDUyZjFhY2NiMzdjNCxzdDJDbU9RTA%3D%3D\" target=\"_blank\">Wonder Woman exclusive: Meet the warrior women training Diana Prince<\/p>\n<p><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Once again; boob cups in female armour<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Not to mention leaving open thighs and arms in critical areas with no armour.<\/p>\n<p>Sure just go sword fight people with arteries available for them to stab it\u2019s fine. So long as men get to see you\u2019re women and you\u2019re sexy it\u2019s fine.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The only reason I can see to leave your legs exposed like that is to air out the privates since that island is probably hot af. I\u2019d probably go around wearing a dress and sandals all day if I was told I couldn\u2019t be naked.<\/p>\n<p>Aren\u2019t the Amazons based in Greek mythology? If so, weren\u2019t there gladiatorial fights where women could be naked too? If so, technically they could all just be fighting naked. It\u2019s only training and they\u2019re friends\/comrades in arms.<\/p>\n<p>I do have a beef with them high heeled boots though. Fairly sure the didn\u2019t have those in Greek times. So inaccurate.<\/p>\n<p>(If anything and everything I\u2019ve typed here is untrue, feel free to correct me politely or with funny af gifs XD)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>OMG I\u2019m a classicist this is my JAM<\/p>\n<p>You aren\u2019t the wrongest. (You are the rightest about the high-heeled boots. Those are a nope in terms of practicality and historicity). The Amazons were a semi-mythic group of warrior women who hailed from Thrace and\/or Scythia (basically, \u201cNorth-east ish\u201d). Whether there actually were warrior women from that area is debatable. Greek depictions of Amazons varies quite a bit. In early art, they were depicted as female versions of Greek hoplites, with the same costume- think tunic-y thing with very short skirt, torso armor (but not with boob cups, and definitely covering the shoulders because how the hell else it it gonna stay up), greaves, helmets, big-ass shields, and <strike>knifesticks<\/strike>\u00a0spears.Over time, elements of Thracian and Scythian costume made their way into depictions of Amazons- things like bows and javelins, a fuckton of horses, patterned tunics, boots, pointy hats, and stripey pants. And maybe tattoos (It\u2019s kinda hard to tell if some craftsmen were trying to depict sleeves and sucked at it, or were genuinely trying to draw people with ink in their skin). The most common depiction of Amazons was as an archer on horseback, with a recurve bow, wearing long-sleeved tunic, belt, furry hat, trousers, and boots. Optional but popular is a half-moon shield.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>This one\u2019s pants are boring, but you can see her quiver kinda behind her:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/d3371710a2f9f1926165b5e1764ebeac\/tumblr_inline_o4l5q0oKYh1rbys7c_540.png\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>This one clearly shows the hat, pants, tunic, and sassy attitude:<\/p>\n<figure><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/3fd7aa36aa53d7967851bcae50232da0\/tumblr_inline_o4l5quCzlW1rbys7c_540.png\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>On a horse, bomb-ass christmas tunic, fancy pants fancier than any fancy pants you will ever wear:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/4083c2a2fe28f0b3f82c3abc426c927a\/tumblr_inline_o4l5u0IvzI1rbys7c_540.png\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>horse, half-moon shield, <strike>aerial knifestick<\/strike> javelin, complete lack of fucks:<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/aa2e50f591a2b82455ac27c51653d858\/tumblr_inline_o4l60mMyfz1rbys7c_540.png\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>pants and\/or furry onesie, big hat, recurve bow, ancient speed-shooting techniques only recently rediscovered:<\/p>\n<figure><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/626ab8fc66544b9f1fb13519cdfb27ce\/tumblr_inline_o4l624VZhD1rbys7c_540.png\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>As for nudity, Amazons were rarely depicted naked (except for the odd stray boob) until the Hellenistic era (300\u2032s BC), and on into the Roman Era, especially during it\u2019s midlife crisis phase (the century surrounding 0 AD, roughly) and it\u2019s post-midlife-crisis have-sex-with-everyone, kill-all-your-neighbor\u2019s-chickens-and-eat-them-deep-fat-fried-all-at-once, act-surprised-when-you-contract-500-venereal-diseases-and-clog-your-arteries phase (Nero-ish onwards-ish. And yes, that is definitely the actual term used to refer to that period of Rome\u2019s history, and not simply a sweeping generalization).<\/p>\n<p>Gladiators were purely a Roman thing. You do get arenas and gladiators in Greece and Turkey and whatnot, but that\u2019s only because the Romans invaded and put them there because bloodsport made them less homesick or something, I guess. Female gladiators were certainly a thing, and may have fought naked for entertainment value (TBH I\u2019m too lazy to go look it up at the moment), but the thing is, gladiatorialism was a sport, just like modern taekwondo, judo, and fencing are sports. Yeah, people are going to get injured, but they didn\u2019t die nearly as often as our modern popular image would have you think, and their fighting style wouldn\u2019t really be all that useful on a battlefield, because they had rules to follow and their purpose was NOT to kill their opponent, but rather to provide an entertaining fight. Gladiators actually considered it a point of pride to never kill an opponent in the arena.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Back to pants, because pants are interesting. To the Greeks and Romans, pants were just about the weirdest fucking thing they\u2019d ever seen. Literally all of their clothes consisted of drapey rectangles. If they were feeling fancy, they\u2019d stick a belt or a nice brooch on it. Pants are a complicated, relatively form-fitting garment and it just freaked those poor Greeks right out. Pants were a visual signal for \u201creally fucking foreign\u201d. \u00a0The furry-hat-and-pants depiction I mentioned above was also the exact same costume that male Scythian warriors were depicted in, and the androgyny also freaked out the poor androcentric Greeks. Often, in vase art and such, the only way to tell an Amazon from a male Scythian is that the women have white skin. They lack of visible gender differences screamed \u201cforeign\u201d to the Greeks. There are several mythic stories about the origins of pants, and they all attribute their invention to women. One story even has Medea (of\u00a0\u201cfuck you Jason, I\u2019m going to murder our kids to get back at you you utter fuckpile\u201d fame) inventing pants.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Historically speaking, pants were invented because people found themselves needing to ride horses to get places, and not-pants are really inconvenient for that. Since both men and women rode horses, both men and women wore pants. (There\u2019s also a fair bit of merit to the theory that the Amazon legend comes from actual Scythian female horse-archers, since once you put a person on a horse and give them a recurve bow, upper body strength advantages don\u2019t mean shit). Pants were actually a key bit of military technology. Ancient China was having a hell of a time fighting off all these pants-wearing horse nomads (this was like 300-200 AD-ish) until the state of Qin finally decided to collectively put on pants and get on horses. They then preceded to kick the nomad\u2019s pants-wearing asses and unify the warring states of China. Because pants.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Of course, because of bullshit, pants came to symbolize femininity and barbarianism to the Greeks and Romans. They think you look very silly in your uncivilized female legsleeves. Funny sidenote, the Romans avoided pants whenever they could, but when they kept invading more northerly places, shit kept getting colder. Winters in Northern Gaul (modern day France) were cold enough that soldiers actually had to put on pants, and the Romans thought this was significant enough that they called the region\u00a0\u201cGallia Bracata\u201d, which translates to\u00a0\u201cTrousered Gaul\u201d, or, if you\u2019re slightly more imaginative,\u00a0\u201cPants France\u201d.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>(This is just the first image that came up when I googled\u00a0\u201cpants france\u201d)<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/3c666e69010bb78585a5ba1a65658dac\/tumblr_inline_o4l6bkRFin1rbys7c_540.png\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>So, to bring this all back around to Wonder Woman, I\u2019m really not a fan of those costumes. They aren\u2019t practical and they aren\u2019t accurate, and they\u2019re also cliche and just like every other <strike>sexy <\/strike>STRONG female warrior in fantasy media (I will direct you to <a class=\"tumblelog\" href=\"https:\/\/tmblr.co\/m2uOLQq6W7KkFR-bw5jx__Q\" target=\"_blank\">@bikiniarmorbattledamage<\/a> for more details and feminist rants). They could have kept the definitely necessary to show thigh skin by dressing them as Greek hoplites, but then they\u2019d have had to give them helmets and cover their precious hair, and give them actual for reals breastplates that protect above the breasts (seriously collarbones aren\u2019t made of steel and PROTECT YOUR SHOULDERS did you see what happened to poor Bucky), and aren\u2019t molded to the torso (seriously- if it\u2019s stiff enough that you can\u2019t stab through it, it\u2019s stiff enough that you can\u2019t move in something that tight). And even if it is only training, and for some reason they\u2019re not hitting anywhere that\u2019s exposed (maybe training to hit only really small target areas? IDK), the armor depicted wouldn\u2019t work- there\u2019s clearly no cushioning under it, and armor (any kind, really, plate, mail, scale, all of it) really doesn\u2019t work unless you\u2019ve got a layer of padding beneath it. Modern combat sports with limited target areas don\u2019t have form-fitting breast-cupping gear, they have thick pads that protect. For instance, two women competing in Taekwondo:\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/a9610d2fa17d100c5ad3cbe0ad1f74e6\/tumblr_inline_o4l5gxlODF1rbys7c_540.png\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>Not at all coincidentally, here\u2019s some modern body armor worn by female soldiers:\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/c1cb4239ac2aa811a2e31c192abec7f2\/tumblr_inline_o4l5l410Cq1rbys7c_540.png\" \/><\/figure>\n<p><\/p>\n<p>Incidentally, the Scythians also had similar armor, made of scales, woven leather, or some form of lamellar.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, the movie makers could have their characters showing a bit of thigh (if it\u2019s that important that they be sexy somehow)\u00a0and maintain some sense of accuracy with thick torso armor, which at least protects the vitals, If they wanted to really get back to the idea of Amazons as terrifying warrior women who act as equals to men and fight as equals to men, and keep the Ancient Cultures motif, these ladies would be wearing stripey pants and furry hats.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Basically, I think it would be awesome to put Wonder Woman in stripey pants.\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/fa61a49848de1cbb89d76de02a53c742\/tumblr_inline_o4l966fzeT1rbys7c_540.png\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>Alrighty, so I just spent an hour looking up stuff about ancient pants. You don\u2019t have to dislike DC\u2019s costumes just because I do, though- they\u2019re just not very accurate to either ancient Greek culture, or to ancient Greek depictions of Amazons. And there\u2019s no pants.<\/p>\n<p>TBH now I kinda want to redesign Wonder Woman to be a Scythian Amazon. Lemme know if you want me to tag you or whatever if I end up posting a drawing of Wonder Woman in stripey pants.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>STRIPEY PANTS WONDER WOMAN <i>STRIPEY PANTS WONDER WOMAN<\/i><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>*bangs fists on the table in rhythm* STRIPEY PANTS WONDER WOMAN STRIPEY PANTS WONDER WOMAN<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Something more on the stripey pants: they were KNITTED!!<\/p>\n<p>Yes! Knitted.<\/p>\n<p>I went to the excellent museum exhibition, \u2018Kleur\u2019 (\u2019<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ashmolean.org\/exhibitions\/details\/?exh=111\" target=\"_blank\">Gods in Color<\/a>\u2019\/\u2019Bunter G\u00f6tter\u2019) in Amsterdam a couple of years ago, where reconstructions of Greek and Roman statues were shown, painted in the colors they originally were, and it was a riot. Literally. But the most amazing thing was the statue of Paris (or \u2018the Archer\u2019, if you will) on the frieze of the Partheon (see below). Because he wears those pants\/leggings, and their pattern clearly shows that they had to be knitted. <\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/c2409485af6e3b460f37b28273c8afd4\/tumblr_inline_o4w5h7Aeoy1sodcqk_540.jpg\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>And it makes sense, of course, because the Greeks had their oikos (household) in their poleis (cities) where their wimminfolk would weave rectangular pieces of wool on rectangular frames<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/39b35cf9878fd450c2a146bc7865fe16\/tumblr_inline_o4w5kdKeNc1sodcqk_540.jpg\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>but a (semi)nomadic horsetribe would have no use for weaving frames. Too bulky. But a couple of knittingneedles would fit in any saddlebag, and one could ride and knit at the same time\u2026<\/p>\n<figure class=\"tmblr-full\"><img src=\"https:\/\/78.media.tumblr.com\/ac69b61cecaa9848fe087c06bf599fb8\/tumblr_inline_o4w5p75IXX1sodcqk_540.jpg\" \/><\/figure>\n<p>(which is what popped up when I googled \u2018knitting on horseback\u2019)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The fact I had to mesh about three tag bundles for this post is why this is the best post on tumblr.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This post is just amazing in every sense of the word!<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Reblogging because this post just gets better and better (also &#8211; manly knitting ftw)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>podle5: pallekenl: alittlebriton: small-potato-of-defiance: zitasaurusrex: themightyglamazon: quousque: wacheypena: deathcomes4u: lady-willowrx: dcfilms: Wonder Woman exclusive: Meet the warrior women training Diana Prince Once again; boob cups in female armour Not to mention leaving open thighs and arms in critical areas with no armour. Sure just go sword fight people with arteries available for them to stab &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2016\/06\/20\/podle5-pallekenl-alittlebriton\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"gallery","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[12080,6492,3245,261,12081,11144,2101,4,264],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/96158"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=96158"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/96158\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":96160,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/96158\/revisions\/96160"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=96158"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=96158"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=96158"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}