{"id":282670,"date":"2018-09-28T10:45:57","date_gmt":"2018-09-28T10:45:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2018\/09\/28\/buchergenuss32-ampersandworm-bogleech\/"},"modified":"2018-09-28T10:45:57","modified_gmt":"2018-09-28T10:45:57","slug":"buchergenuss32-ampersandworm-bogleech","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2018\/09\/28\/buchergenuss32-ampersandworm-bogleech\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/buchergenuss32.tumblr.com\/post\/167011154322\/ampersandworm-bogleech-kajedheat\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">buchergenuss32<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/ampersandworm.tumblr.com\/post\/162475306341\/bogleech-kajedheat-bogleech-another\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">ampersandworm<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/bogleech.tumblr.com\/post\/162460782828\/kajedheat-bogleech-another-weird-and\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">bogleech<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/kajedheat.tumblr.com\/post\/162456949879\/bogleech-another-weird-and-frustrating\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">kajedheat<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/bogleech.tumblr.com\/post\/162453489463\/another-weird-and-frustrating-phenomenon-when-you\" class=\"tumblr_blog\" target=\"_blank\">bogleech<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Another weird and frustrating phenomenon when you get sucked into an argument with conservative types (something I usually try to avoid bothering with anymore) is that there\u2019s this very narrow set of people they\u2019re convinced are key figures, even \u201cleaders\u201d on any given topic. Talk about climate change and they bring up Al Gore. Talk about women\u2019s rights and they bring up Anita Sarkeesian.<\/p>\n<p>To this day I have NO IDEA what any of those people have ever said on those topics, and in most cases, I never even heard of them outside of conservative complaints and memes. I would never know the name Anita Sarkeesian if she wasn\u2019t one random blogger out of thousands that an obscure niche of people went positively ballistic over. I\u2019ve never heard of anyone accepting the existence of global warming just because non-scientist Al Gore said to.<\/p>\n<p>If I tell them this <i>they never believe it.<\/i> They\u2019re completely convinced that the beliefs they hate actually revolve around some random youtubers or B-list politicians they randomly elevated into their own bugbears and the idea that the people they fight hardest against actually have barely any influence or fame outside their own subculture seems almost impossible for them to accept.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>George Soros.<\/p>\n<p>I always see people saying George Soros pays people like me to protest (I wish), or buses people to vote on battleground states, some way or another he has us under our thrall.<\/p>\n<p><i>I don\u2019t even know who the fuck George Soros IS<\/i><\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t even feel bothered to Google him and find out- he\u2019s utterly irrelevant to my life. But apparently all liberals are on his payroll somehow.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I, too, never heard of George Soros before just recently.<\/p>\n<p>They could make up absolutely any name in these arguments and it would have just as much meaning to me. \u201cYou\u2019re only pro-vaccine because you\u2019re shilling for Jiminy Ferpendoodle!!!\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I\u2019ve heard this referred to as the central fallacy of the authoritarian mindset: It\u2019s not that authoritarians don\u2019t care about facts, it\u2019s that <b>facts aren\u2019t real until they are confirmed by an Authority.<\/b> Of course no liberal believed in Global Warming until Al Gore said so! Why would they believe it, until <i>Someone In Charge<\/i> said it? And moreover, if you can prove <i>That Person Isn\u2019t Really An Authority<\/i>, the facts will change! See also:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Why Creationists are obsessed with disproving Darwin &#8211; not his theory, but the man himself. As if casting doubt on Darwin-a-dude-born-in-eighteen-fucking-oh-nine-for-chrissake-\u2019s personal beliefs will somehow completely disprove the ensuing <i>two centuries<\/i> of scientific research.<\/li>\n<li>Why various idiot politicians try to legislate away Global Climate Change, as if making laws <i>against the ocean<\/i> will stop it from rising.\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>I\u2019m sure you could add on ten thousand bullet points but it\u2019s Saturday and I don\u2019t wanna do the research when I could be cleaning my kitchen and playing Minecraft.\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This is actually supported by psychological and sociological research into authoritarianism; on <a>@ampersandworm<\/a>\u200b\u2018s comment on doing the research, I have to recommend Bob Altemeyer\u2019s excellent (and free!) book, <i><a href=\"https:\/\/theauthoritarians.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">The Authoritarians<\/a>,<\/i>\u00a0where he summarizes his research into the authoritarian mindset in a layman accessible manner (and, yes, I do love the irony that, in response to a comment about how conservatives only believe something when supported by An Authority, I\u2019m linking to An Authority for discussion on that mindset).\u00a0 It is <i>really<\/i>\u00a0worth a read to gain some insight into the mindset of American authoritarians.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>For a more succinct summary, however, have a comment from Prof. Altemeyer on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailykos.com\/stories\/2016\/03\/02\/1494504\/-A-word-from-Dr-Bob-Altemeyer-on-Donald-Trump-and-Authoritarian-Followers\" target=\"_blank\">Trump and Authoritarian followers<\/a> (bolding from me):<\/p>\n<hr>\n<p>We know a lot about authoritarian followers, but unfortunately most of what we know indicates it will be almost impossible to change their minds, especially in a few months. Here are a dozen things established by research.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>They are highly ethnocentric, highly inclined to see the world as their in-group versus everyone else. Because they are so committed to their in-group, they are very zealous in its cause.<\/li>\n<li>They are highly fearful of a dangerous world. Their parents taught them, more than parents usually do, that the world is dangerous. They may also be genetically predisposed to experiencing stronger fear than most people do.<\/li>\n<li>They are highly self-righteous. They believe they are the \u201cgood people\u201d and this unlocks a lot of hostile impulses against those they consider bad.<\/li>\n<li>They are aggressive. Given the chance to attack someone with the approval of an authority, they will lower the boom.<\/li>\n<li>They are highly prejudiced against racial and ethnic majorities, non-heterosexuals, and women in general.<\/li>\n<li><b>Their beliefs are a mass of contradictions. They have highly compartmentalized minds, in which opposite beliefs exist side-by-side in adjacent boxes. As a result, their thinking is full of double-standards.<\/b><\/li>\n<li><b>They reason poorly. If they like the conclusion of an argument, they don\u2019t pay much attention to whether the evidence is valid or the argument is consistent.<\/b><\/li>\n<li><b>They are highly dogmatic. Because they have gotten their beliefs mainly from the authorities in their lives, rather than think things out for themselves, they have no real defense when facts or events indicate they are wrong. So they just dig in their heels and refuse to change.<\/b><\/li>\n<li><b>They are very dependent on social reinforcement of their beliefs. They think they are right because almost everyone they know, almost every news broadcast they see, almost every radio commentator they listen to, tells them they are. That is, they screen out the sources that will suggest that they are wrong.<\/b><\/li>\n<li>Because they severely limit their exposure to different people and ideas, they vastly overestimate the extent to which other people agree with them. And thinking they are \u201cthe moral majority\u201d supports their attacks on the \u201cevil minorities\u201d they see in the country.<\/li>\n<li>They are easily duped by manipulators who pretend to espouse their causes when all the con-artists really want is personal gain.<\/li>\n<li>They are largely blind to themselves. They have little self-understanding and insight into why they think and do what they do.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<hr>\n<p>Points number 6, 7, 8 and 9 are what lead to the\u00a0\u201cargument from authority\u201d tendency that OP noted.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>buchergenuss32: ampersandworm: bogleech: kajedheat: bogleech: Another weird and frustrating phenomenon when you get sucked into an argument with conservative types (something I usually try to avoid bothering with anymore) is that there\u2019s this very narrow set of people they\u2019re convinced are key figures, even \u201cleaders\u201d on any given topic. Talk about climate change and they &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2018\/09\/28\/buchergenuss32-ampersandworm-bogleech\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[23841,23842,2595,5853,4],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/282670"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=282670"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/282670\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=282670"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=282670"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=282670"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}