{"id":260911,"date":"2013-08-27T02:01:00","date_gmt":"2013-08-27T02:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2013\/08\/27\/jazzforthecaptain-merindab-replied-to-your-post-4\/"},"modified":"2013-08-27T02:01:00","modified_gmt":"2013-08-27T02:01:00","slug":"jazzforthecaptain-merindab-replied-to-your-post-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2013\/08\/27\/jazzforthecaptain-merindab-replied-to-your-post-4\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"

jazzforthecaptain<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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merindab<\/a> replied to your post \u201cYou know, \u201cRose\u201d has a lot of symmetry with \u201cEverything Changes.\u201d I\u2026\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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I thought that too, especially after the shooting practice scene. Turned out Jack\u2019s Rose was Ianto though, who knew?<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I think Gwen is still Jack\u2019s Rose, just not as a romantic partner. She\u2019s the one who frequently calls him on his shit and is the humanizing force for the team – not because she\u2019s a good person but because she IS the person who makes the rest of Torchwood see the people affected by an alien encounter as people<\/em>. She\u2019s the person who says \u2018what must it be like for the victim\u2019s mum\/husband\/daughter?\u2019 or \u2018she may be a sleeper agent but SHE thinks she\u2019s a human and you\u2019re scaring the hell out of her right now.\u2019<\/p>\n

Not to mention the outrageous flirting, with spates of really obnoxious UST and longing going on.<\/p>\n

Ianto – although he does stand up to Jack on a few memorable occasions – doesn\u2019t usually question his orders. Moreover, he\u2019s frequently helping to do things – like dispose of bodies and disfigure bodies from the morgue to look like missing people – that Gwen was initially shocked by and objected to. I\u2019m not condemning Ianto\u2019s character for that or trying to make Gwen sound better or more deserving (because I don\u2019t think you have to \u2018deserve\u2019 love to have love and man, I don\u2019t think either ONE of them deserves to be sucked into a one-man hurricane of chaos and death like Captain Jack Harkness), because I LIKE who they both are; that he\u2019s pragmatic and a bit cold (at least externally) to the job by now. But that\u2019s why I don\u2019t think he\u2019s Jack\u2019s \u2018Rose,\u2019 because I don\u2019t think he fills that role. I think he fills parts of it, though, and Jack has tried to become a better man because of Ianto.<\/p>\n

RTD set up the opening of Torchwood similarly to the way he set up the opening of Doctor Who. He chose a heart-driven woman with a noncommittal romantic relationship, and tossed her into a decidedly inhuman world that cut her off from her emotional attachments.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

jazz makes excellent points!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

jazzforthecaptain: merindab replied to your post \u201cYou know, \u201cRose\u201d has a lot of symmetry with \u201cEverything Changes.\u201d I\u2026\u201d I thought that too, especially after the shooting practice scene. Turned out Jack\u2019s Rose was Ianto though, who knew? I think Gwen is still Jack\u2019s Rose, just not as a romantic partner. She\u2019s the one who frequently … <\/p>\n

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