{"id":245608,"date":"2013-11-12T02:57:50","date_gmt":"2013-11-12T02:57:50","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2013\/11\/12\/awabubbles-jazzforthecaptain-i-just-realized\/"},"modified":"2013-11-12T02:57:50","modified_gmt":"2013-11-12T02:57:50","slug":"awabubbles-jazzforthecaptain-i-just-realized","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2013\/11\/12\/awabubbles-jazzforthecaptain-i-just-realized\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"

awabubbles<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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jazzforthecaptain<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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I just realized that there are major parallels between Sam\u2019s relationship with John and Jack\u2019s relationship with the Doctor.<\/p>\n

Jack wants the Doctor to approve of and be proud of him, but doesn\u2019t agree with his approach and isn\u2019t certain that earning the Doctor\u2019s appreciation (and love) is worth sacrificing his own personal purpose anymore. So there\u2019s this conflicted tug of war inside Jack, going on whenever they meet, because Jack can\u2019t help but love the Doctor even though he has major doubts and also some resentment for being abandoned. The Doctor would tell him that he had something else pressing going on, of course, that Jack couldn\u2019t possibly know about. Which Jack will accept and believe, although a cold accusatory part of him will always think, \u201cof course you prioritized everything else over me.\u201d<\/p>\n

The resentment will never go away, and it makes a hard scar that will always stay between them. They may have good reasons for what they\u2019ve done, but while they may be able to justify it to one another, forgiveness is something else entirely.<\/p>\n

Now replace \u2018Jack\u2019 and \u2018The Doctor\u2019 with \u2018Sam\u2019 and \u2018John.\u2019<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I love this! But I also think there\u2019s some major parallels between Jack and the Doctor and the way DEAN and John relate.<\/p>\n

Specifically because Dean and Jack are both soldier-types. Jack and Dean both unquestioningly follow that other person, sometimes with almost starry-eyed affection despite the consequences. I agree that Jack has some resentment for being left behind, but we pretty much never see it expressed (except perhaps as his final choice to leave the Doctor at the end of Saxon!Master).<\/p>\n

And Dean has obvious resentment against his father (for the lifestyle, for putting all of this responsibility shit on him, etc) but Dean never has a chance to express that resentment until John is actually dead (I\u2019m thinking specifically of when he confronts his demon!self in the dream world and he finally admits he doesn\u2019t deserve to die).<\/p>\n

I think they both dedicated themselves to someone they thought was bigger and better themselves and they were let down.<\/p>\n

I think Jack follows the Doctor because he\u2019s trying to prove to himself that he\u2019s not a bad man (essentially for redemption from what he\u2019s done before, being a conman, what he can\u2019t even remember, etc.), and he\u2019s looking to the Doctor for that confirmation. In the same way Dean is following John because he wants to be the loyal son, and because he has it in his head that the more loyal he is the more safe Sam will be (and he\u2019s obviously seeking redemption for THAT ONE TIME he fucked up as a kid). Jack and Dean NEED this approval, in a way I don\u2019t really see Sam needing it. Wanting it, sure, but not needing it to confirm their identity in the way Jack and Dean do.<\/p>\n

I also don\u2019t think Jack ever suffers the same rebellion that Sam does. I guess you could argue leaving the Doctor for Torchwood is a separation of sort but it doesn\u2019t have the animosity with which Sam left hunting behind. Whenever the Doctor shows up Jack will jump in to the fray, he always does. And I see Dean doing the same too, but Sam will never readily say \u201cyes sir\u201d unless he\u2019s personally sure of the orders. There\u2019s just this sort of \u201cfavorite son\u201d, \u201ctrained soldier\u201d trope they both fit into in regards to the Doctor and John.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

awabubbles: jazzforthecaptain: I just realized that there are major parallels between Sam\u2019s relationship with John and Jack\u2019s relationship with the Doctor. Jack wants the Doctor to approve of and be proud of him, but doesn\u2019t agree with his approach and isn\u2019t certain that earning the Doctor\u2019s appreciation (and love) is worth sacrificing his own personal … <\/p>\n

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