{"id":125346,"date":"2015-11-27T19:41:48","date_gmt":"2015-11-27T19:41:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2015\/11\/27\/rewatching-s1-for-like-the-100th-time-at-what\/"},"modified":"2015-11-27T19:41:48","modified_gmt":"2015-11-27T19:41:48","slug":"rewatching-s1-for-like-the-100th-time-at-what","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.merindab.com\/private\/2015\/11\/27\/rewatching-s1-for-like-the-100th-time-at-what\/","title":{"rendered":"rewatching s1 for like the 100th time–at what point does all the brilliant animal sight gag stuff (eg the croc wearing crocs) get added? is it like, we need to have a croc wearing crocs, where can we fit this in? or do you start out by needing someone to guard the food and say let’s do a crocodile–hey, he should wear crocs? or some kind of total afterthought, or something else entirely? thanks. love the show, my favorite of all time."},"content":{"rendered":"

feministdisney<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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seanewilliams<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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rosalarian<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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boringoldraphael<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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Hello! I am going to answer your question, and then I am going to talk a little bit about GENDER IN COMEDY<\/strong>, because this is my tumblr and I can talk about whatever I want!<\/p>\n

The vast vast vast majority of the animal jokes on BoJack Horseman (specifically the visual gags) come from our brilliant supervising director Mike Hollingsworth (stufffedanimals<\/a> on tumblr) and his team. Occasionally, we\u2019ll write a joke like that into the script but I can promise you that your top ten favorite animal gags of the season came from the art and animation side of the show, not the writers room. Usually it happens more the second way you described\u2014 to take a couple examples from season 2, \u201cOkay, we need to fill this hospital waiting room, what kind of animals would be in here?\u201d or \u201cOkay, we need some extras for this studio backlot, what would they be wearing?\u201d<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t know for sure, but I would guess that the croc wearing crocs came from our head designer lisahanawalt<\/a>. Lisa is in charge of all the character designs, so most of the clothing you see on the show comes straight from her brain. (One of the many things I love about working with Lisa is that T-Shirts With Dumb Things Written On Them sits squarely in the center of our Venn diagram of interests.)<\/p>\n

NOW,<\/strong>\u00a0it struck me that you referred to the craft services crocodile as a \u201che\u201d in your question.\u00a0The character, voiced by\u00a0kulap<\/a> Vilaysack, is a woman.<\/p>\n

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It\u2019s possible that that was just a typo on your part, but I\u2019m going to assume that it wasn\u2019t because it helps me pivot into something I\u2019ve been thinking about a lot over the last year, which is the tendency for comedy writers, and audiences, and writers, and audiences (because it\u2019s a cycle<\/em>) to view comedy characters as inherently male, unless there is something specifically<\/em> female about them. (I would guess this is mostly a problem for male comedy writers and audiences, but not exclusively.)<\/p>\n

Here\u2019s an example from my own life: In one of the episodes from the first season (I think it\u2019s 109), our storyboard artists drew a gag where a big droopy dog is standing on a street corner next to a businessman and the wind from a passing car blows the dog\u2019s tongue and slobber onto the man\u2019s face. When Lisa designed the characters she made both the dog and the businessperson women.<\/p>\n

My first gut reaction to the designs was, \u201cThis feels weird.\u201d I said to Lisa, \u201cI feel like these characters should be guys.\u201d She said, \u201cWhy?\u201d I thought about it for a little bit, realized I didn\u2019t have a good reason, and went back to her and said, \u201cYou\u2019re right, let\u2019s make them ladies.\u201d<\/p>\n

I am embarrassed to admit this conversation has happened between Lisa and me multiple times<\/strong><\/em>, about multiple characters<\/strong><\/em>.<\/p>\n

The thinking comes from a place that the cleanest version of a joke has as few pieces as possible. For the dog joke, you have the thing where the tongue slobbers all over the businessperson, but if you also have a thing where both of them ladies, then that\u2019s an additional thing<\/em> and it muddies up the joke. The audience will think, \u201cWhy are those characters female? Is that part of the joke?\u201d The underlying assumption there is that the default mode for any character is male, so to make the characters female is an additional detail on top of that<\/em>.\u00a0In case I\u2019m not being a hundred percent clear, this thinking is stupid<\/strong> and wrong<\/strong> and self-perpetuating unless you actively work against it, and I\u2019m proud to say I mostly don\u2019t think this way anymore. Sometimes I still do, because this kind of stuff is baked into us by years of consuming media, but usually I\u2019m able (with some help) to take a step back and not think this way, and one of the things I love about working with Lisa is she challenges these instincts in me.<\/p>\n

I feel like I can confidently say that this isn\u2019t just a me problem though\u2014 this kind of thing is everywhere<\/em>.\u00a0The LEGO Movie was my favorite movie of 2014, but it strikes me that the main character was male, because I feel like in our current culture, he HAD to be. The whole point of Emmett is that he\u2019s the most boring average person in the world. It\u2019s impossible to imagine a female character playing that role, because according to our pop culture, if she\u2019s female she\u2019s already SOMEthing, because she\u2019s not male. The baseline is male. The average person is male.<\/p>\n

You can see this all over but it\u2019s weirdly prevalent in children\u2019s entertainment. Why are almost all of the muppets dudes, except for Miss Piggy, who\u2019s a parody of femininity? Why do all of the Despicable Me minions, genderless blobs, have boy names? I love the story (which I read on Wikipedia) that when the director of The Brave Little Toaster cast a woman to play the toaster, one of the guys on the crew was so mad he stormed out of the room. Because he thought the toaster was a man. A TOASTER. The character is a toaster.<\/p>\n

I try to think about that when writing new characters\u2014 is there anything inherently gendered about what this character is doing? Or is it a toaster?<\/p>\n

ASK ME QUESTIONS ABOUT BOJACK HORSEMAN.<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

\u201cThis thinking it\u2019s stupid and wrong and self perpetuating unless you actively work against it.\u201d There it is again, the realization of how such biases lurk in our subconscious, in our muscle memory, and getting rid of it is an active, conscious effort. You can\u2019t \u201cjust write\u201d because only actively thinking about this stuff stops these biases from happening, and they must be stopped.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Might have reblogged this before, but it always warrants reblogging.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

very interesting details.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

feministdisney: seanewilliams: rosalarian: boringoldraphael: Hello! I am going to answer your question, and then I am going to talk a little bit about GENDER IN COMEDY, because this is my tumblr and I can talk about whatever I want! The vast vast vast majority of the animal jokes on BoJack Horseman (specifically the visual gags) … <\/p>\n

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